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NDP At 20, Liberal At 30, Conservative At 40 - Yea, You Grow Up

January 1, 2010 @ 12:40

Check out the crap going on over at Taliban Mike. I really don't know where to begin with this stuff.

We have a rational Prime Minister whose done a solid job of guiding us through these unique times but he's been hampered by what I call the "weasels in the woods". The anti-cons who don't look at results or history, they look at nothing beyond the party and they can't stand losing their grip on their socialist needs and nothing, not even the welfare of their country and/or military will stop them from pouncing on and then eating their own.

The Prime Minister's recent decision to "prorogue" government again, is not only within his right and part of our democratic process, we should be glad it is when you consider the disgusting opposition in this country.

"Prorogueing" saved us from a useless election last year, and this time will help protect our military from getting poked full of holes by the likes of the spineless Jack Layton, and a host of Liberals who can't run a fuckin' party let alone a country.

The "wood weasels" will tell you that the Prime Minister has "prorogued" Parliament to avoid pointed questions about the Afghanee detainee affair. That's partly right, he's done it so turn coat, two faced political pigs can't critisize a brilliant miitary that has been forced into some tough decisions.

Because it's war. Because it sucks. Because that's the way it is.

Don't pretend for a goddman minute that you care about a single Afghani detainee, all you care about is an opportunity to slam your Prime Minister because he's Conservative.

In his naive posting, Taliban Mike actually quotes Liberals and NDP wanks.. like that's supposed hold any water. Like they're going to say anything that even comes close to the real feelings of the average level headed Canadian.

And let me make this abundantly clear.. again. If the roles were reversed in this situatiion I would support the Liberals for putting our country and our militray ahead of politics. That's what you do in the grown up world, you put country first. You don't salivate waiting for the next promised socialist program that somebody else will pay for.

Face it lefties, the world has changed. You're never going to get a government that hands you everything on a silver platter. It's not possible, it's not rational. An NDP government will not feed your family, raise your kids or cut your grass every Thursday. They may promise it, but it will never happen.

Look what this mentality has done for the once great city of Toronto. And Mike is actually proud of his city for shunning the Conservatives?

And if you want to get sucked into another perversely corrupt Liberal government, that's your choice, but remember, we all have to suffer the consequences.

To jump all over the Prime Minister for this latest, completely democratic "prorogue" of government is to ignore the reality of the situation and side with the bad guys.

The Taliban thanks you.... and oh yea, grow up!

And oh yea yea... the PM is dead on with so-called climate change as well.

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360 Responses to "NDP At 20, Liberal At 30, Conservative At 40 - Yea, You Grow Up"
January 1, 2010 / 14:13

Harper's second annual proroguing of Parliament can't be good for Canada, Canadians or democracy.

As for the political opportunism, no party or government will miss the chance to use it/

When I reached forty I realized how much the political parties are more a similar than unique.

Toronto Mike
January 1, 2010 / 15:01

Sorry, Freddie. You lost me at Taliban Mike.

I didn't realize I had so much in common with that fundamentalist Islamic militia.

And quite frankly, when it comes to your thoughts on Harper, you're as biased as they come. Every thing he does garners a "rational man" defence from Freddie P. It's as dependable as death and taxes.

January 1, 2010 / 15:36

NDP at 20, Liberal at 30, Conservative at 40.

You say that's because people grow up, I say that's because most people turn into curmudgeonly old farts.

January 1, 2010 / 16:14

Wow! Do you actually believe what you write?? There is no way in the world you would be defending Ignatieff or Layton or anyone else if they pulled this stunt. Don't insult anyone by suggesting otherwise.

Fred, you are more biased than the people you constantly piss on.

For the record, I don't support any political party.

Freddie P.
January 1, 2010 / 16:38

I use rational man Mike, because he is rational, and thank goodness he is.
It's what has got us through recent times in relatively good shape.

You know what blows me away Mike, its the fact that McGuinty has fucked us all sideways, and done more to hurt us all than Harper could ever dream of, but you ignore that.

And you ignore it because your hatred of Harper boils down to one thing. He's Conservative. That's it, admit it.

And that attitude, based on nothing but your own prepositioned bias, is nothing short of immature.

Sammi.. I don't know how many times I have to say it, on these issues, I am not partisan. I would support the Liberals if they were protecting the reputation of our military and I knew they had to make tough war time choices. Can't you read ya peckerhead!

January 1, 2010 / 16:46

Fred you are really full of it.

Arguing that questioning the Military is not patriotic and equates you to being in line with the Taliban is the same garbage that Bush and his team spun about going into Iraq. It is not about supporting the troops. It is about getting to some truth. The soldiers that are putting their lives on the line are not being questioned. The people being question are the ones that aren't in the life of fire or getting killed by roadside bombs.

Your opinion has no meaning any more. Once you support one side so much that you can never find a fault, you are no longer offering anything of value.

You call Mike a Taliban in jest or in anger but it shows a lack of reasoning. You immediately think that everyone hates Harper because he is a conservative. That is not it. He is just a bad leader. Not as bad as McGuinty but bad nonetheless.

Freddie P.
January 1, 2010 / 17:31

There is no fault in this case.. war is hell.. and decisions have to be made.. and things should go untold.. it's simply the way it is.
To press on this issue in war time is not only wrong, it's creepy.
And if you don't think disclosure of Taliban torture would not be turned on our soldiers, is every bit as naive as Mike's original posting.
And who are you trying to kid? I'm biased?
Harper can do nothing right in they eyes of you anti-cons, that's actually part of the reason I've turned into a big supporter of the guy.
I'd hate like hell to go to war with you bunch..

January 1, 2010 / 18:08

Fred - you're defending a government for not wanting to govern. You're defending Harper for not wanting Canada to know the truth or defend one of the things that sets us a part from the Taliban - justice.
You'd hate to go to war with "you bunch" no problem, people like Harper won't be there - he'll be hiding under the covers, bloody coward.

Frank the Tank
January 1, 2010 / 18:28

Once again Fred ignores the entire point of the opposition crying foul with Harper. They lied I would underscore that if I could. We have a distinguished diplomat saying he sent many reports regarding this situation to the government and they did nothing. Now they say they didn't hear a word, he must me lying these missives never were sent. Say what you want about rationality if he was rational he wouldn't be running away to stand for photo op's at the Olympics.

Funny though, Fred defends this move as also being democratic but lost his knickers when the coalition tried to take over last year. Interesting how that works???? You called them every name in the book from your blog and audio postings, that they were using a back door to curb democracy, I don't understand how what Harper is doing now is any different. All points you fail to ever talk about, instead you use "rational" as your blanket response.

I wouldn't for a second say that his so called rational behaviour got us through the recent times. He did nothing. He banked on economic policies put in place by the previous government and had a twit of a finance minister say hey what is the world talking about there isn't going to be a recession. I hate the HST as much as the next guy, but lets face it Mr finance is the one hawking this thing to the provinces trying to get everyone else on board.

One last talking point you made a comment about McGuinty running a deficit, but have not once, ever stated anything about the Conservatives running the country to record debt levels.

Dial Twister
January 1, 2010 / 19:20


Either you're quite willing to throw your (former?) friend, Toronto Mike, under the bus, or the two of you have a publicity pact going on.

Either way, it's reason enough to stop caring what goes on here.

Freddie P.
January 1, 2010 / 19:39

See ya!

Right Uppercut
January 1, 2010 / 19:49

Freddie; WELL SAID!

As for Taliban-Islamo-terrorist Afghani "detainees;" I don't give two sh*ts about them!

After all; they were/are trying to KILL us!

Bob B
January 1, 2010 / 21:06

Freddie, I agree with you, although we seem to be in the minority.

Mike: How can you be so incredibly intelligent in one way and yet so stupid in an other??? You "Do-gooders and car hating "green Freaks" in Toronto truly live in a fantasy world and the sooner you wake up the better for everyone.

January 1, 2010 / 23:31

Excellent post, as always, Fred.

I like how my two favorite Toronto area bloggers have such varying opinions, but was the entire "Taliban Mike" comment necessary?

January 1, 2010 / 23:37

Hey Freddie

Thanks for taking the more rational stance on this issue. You're not biased and have always had a logical position when it comes to Canada and many of us do agree. I can honestly say I don't always agree with all you're entries and have expressed my views and whether you've agreed or not you always allow my postings.

When it comes to guys like T.O. Mike and his like they all talk about democracy and freedom of speech but can't see past the tips of their noses. And Mike knows what I'm talking about. Thanks Freddie, Happy New Year and keep on given'er.

January 2, 2010 / 00:20

Political parties aside, it was my understanding that in a democracy one is allowed to criticize and take issue with their government. Question their intentions and express their opinions if they object to them. Some will agree, others will not but this is hallmark of living in a democratic nation.

Perhaps i'm just being nieve. Yet, isn't this one of the reason's why we are
in Afghanistan?

"Speyside Phil"
January 2, 2010 / 12:13

Keep er coming Freddie, your right on with this issue. The Lefties just don't get it and never will.

January 2, 2010 / 12:15


The name Taliban Mike was a joke by Freddie but from my view, quite fitting. See Freddie has a sense of humour and obviously reading through his rants you realize he pokes fun at himself and can be a bugger. T.O. Mike on the other hand, like most Liberals, takes himself way too seriously and mistakes ball busting for something else.

Liberals talk about freedom this and freedom that but they never practice what they preach. Alleged corruption and alleged conflicts of interest have never been exclusive to Conservatives (Mulroney) as many Liberals (Chretien and Martin) are all part of the big political game. Harper’s decision to Prorogue Parliament maybe ‘wrong’ for some but it's within the rights of our Canadian Parliament system and available to any Prime Minister from any political party.

I don't always agree with Freddie on many issues and have written as such. He’s never blocked or banned my post because I offer a different view and would believe he has done the same for anyone else who hasn’t let their comments cross the line. Maybe Freddie can correct me on that, but I’m glad some of the regulars who offer different views are still allowed to post. Dizzy, Freddie practices what he preaches but then again he’s from Brampton where the air is cleaner and where all the criminals go to be sentenced.

Loving you…

January 2, 2010 / 13:22

Congratulations Fred, you've hit it out of the park, especially on the issue of bias. Some advice for the Liberals/Liberal supporters out there - stop focusing on Harper and look inward, look at a the Liberals in turmoil. Look at their hapless leader, who changes his national identity in accordance to the latest job offer. Look at two idiots who preceded him. At least Chretian had some b*lls. Look at the political party that is so accustomed to governing that they fall apart when they are the opposition. Once you have identified everything wrong with the Liberals and everything they did wrong in 2009, can you honestly continue to direct your anger at Harper? Look to the Liberals, lefties. .

January 2, 2010 / 13:50

Fred, I bet you're a big fan of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. You must admire the way he rules and doesn't take any shit from his own people.

It's so funny that you accuse people of disliking Harper because he's a Conservative, when the only reason you continue to support him is for that exact reason. You say as much with your beyond stupid 20, 30, 40 rule.

It's pretty surprising you continue to support him, when it's obvious he has no respect for you. This latest proroguing incident is such an obvious slap in the face to every Canadian citizen, which you haven't noticed because your infatuation blinds you.

Pauly Walnuts
January 2, 2010 / 14:57

Atta boy Freddie. Not only do you nail it on the head, but I think I enjoy it even more that your comments and Harper's proroguing paliament again get's the socialist's panties in a bunch.

January 2, 2010 / 16:15

Again the point that I try to make is missed.

I am not anti-con, I am anti-bad governement. I didn't vote for the Liberals in the last three elections.
I would be very upset if the NDP every got into power.

What I am saying is that Harper rarely answers the questions and provide the clear government he promised. He twists what has been said and makes it fit his own agenda.

As for the detainees, I actually don't get too upset to learn that they may have been tortured. I don't think torture really works and we would never want to hear about our own troops being tortured by the enemy. But Harper is avoiding taking any responsibility if prisoners were tortured. I would be far more proud of him if he said, "We gave to them to the Afghans and they were tortured. Not our policy but it is not our country. Sorry if you're upset." Then the far left have nowhere to go. But he uses political tactics and dishonesty instead.

As for going to war with me, just because I disagree with Harper doesn't mean I am not very supportive of our soldiers and would die for my own country. You are being as ignorant as the people you are fighting against.

January 3, 2010 / 13:42

Some reporters are talking about the prorogue as a 3 month vacation. Wrong! Parliament wasn't supposed to re-open til the end of January, then there are weeks of Olympics where every politician will want to do photo-ops. Now we're down to a couple of weeks of closure.

Doesn't bother me and by the way I hate critcism from a party about democracy that APPOINTED their leader without any kind of democratic election.

Enuf said.

Bob B
January 3, 2010 / 22:48

Why are people so upset about Harper proroguing the parliament again???

If it is so "un-democratic" why is it available for any Prime Minister to use?? Furthermore, it is the Governor General who has the last say.

As far as I'm concerned, anything he uses "legally" to stay in power is fine with me.

I'd hate to think about the alternative, the Liberals being back in power again, or worse, the NDP.

January 4, 2010 / 20:06

What's really funny is that to Harper's fans, the best thing he's done is not do his job.

Pathetic leadership, trailed by pathetic followers.

Bob B
January 4, 2010 / 22:31

Mikey, What do you mean he hasn't done his job?

Canada is recovering faster than any other G7 countries from the recession.

Judging by the real estate market, the shopping malls full of shoppers and keeping and/or adding jobs from the stimulus package, the job is being done.

It also doesn't hurt that they are tightening the immigration rules and getting tough with the criminals.

I could list many more examples but knowing you I am just wasting my time anyway because you will come up with some leftwing excuses.

January 5, 2010 / 10:31

Bob - instead of pulling examples out of thin air, maybe back them up with numbers or facts that prove your points. Sorry, I know that's such a "left-wing" request.

Not sure what you do for a living so I can only speak for myself, and if I didn't show up to work for almost two months I wouldn't be doing my job.

January 5, 2010 / 16:40

Harper's a great leader ... blah blah blah ... Liberals are dumb ... wah wah wah

God, people it's like frikkin Groundhog Day on here.

See ya.

Pauly Walnuts
January 5, 2010 / 17:11

Mikey, a part of an MP's job is to spend time in his riding working with and interacting with their constituents. Their job is not only to sit in parliament and hurl insults at each other across the floor. Proroguing Parliament sends the MPs back to their constituents. It doesn't mean vacation time.

Understandable mistake though. After years of Liberal MPs in the GTA, I haven't seem or heard from my Liberal MPs either.

January 5, 2010 / 22:02

Weak Pauly, weak. How much time is parliament actually supposed to be in session? How much time do MP's normally have away from parliament, to meet with people in their ridings and sleep in?

I guess now every household in the country will get a visit from an MP. Thanks Stephen Harper! Thanks sheep following him!


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Sekitar 4-8 taon lalu, saya punya teman menjual barang kongsian kepada seorang penipu.

Tapi barangnya tidak dibayar.

Penipu tersebut menggunakan nama Yudi Kurniawan (mungkin bukan nama asli, maaf kalo ada yang namanya sama).

Ternyata sudah banyak orang yang menjadi korban. Mereka juga menjual barang dengan kongsian dan tidak dibayar.

Kerugian teman saya sekitar 35 juta. Teman dari teman saya juga rugi sekitar 30 juta.

Lalu kita dikirimi cek. Tapi cek itu ada tanggal mundurnya. Sudah gitu ceknya bukan atas nama dia.

Sesudah itu tilpon tidak dijawab kembali.

Ada yang memberi info kalo salah satu korbannya mengambil barang yang memang tidak dibayar. Eh, korbannya malah yang ditangkep polisi. Katanya mencuri. Padahal itu kan barang dia. Semua juga udah tau ini orang nipu nggak bakal bayar.

Saya dapat kabar dari korban lain kalo si Yudi Kurniawan ini ternyata memang sengaja menjual barang jauh dibawah harga pasar lalu emang nggak bayar. Dia nggak rencana bayar karena dia tahu dia tinggal nyogok polisi biar nggak di penajar.

Jadi modus operandinya kemungkinan besar begini (bisa jadi nggak persis, tapi kira kira):

1. Bilang kalau barang sudah ada yang mau beli dengan harga lebih tinggi (padahal tidak).
2. Korban kirim bayar. Yudi baru cari calon pembeli yang mau beli dengan harga murah.
3. Lalu tentu saja korban tidak dibayar. Uang dipakai untuk bayar pengacara/polisi (atau siapalah) biar nggak dipenjara.

Lalu teman saya iseng. Kita minta orang lain untuk tilpon Yudi. Siapa tau si Yudi emang lagi bangkrut lalu nggak bisa bayar. Kan kasian kalo diteken terus? Eh malah ditawarin lagi bisnis dengan modus operandi yang sama. Cuman kali ini tentu saja kita udah tau dia bakal nipu.

Karena curiga ada yang tidak beres, teman saya pun pergi ke Bali untuk menagih hutang.

Teman saya habis 6 juta lagi buat pergi ke Bali mengusut masalah ini. Kita pake teman kita polisi preman. Di depan polisi preman itu dia ngaku kalo emang dia udah nggak bakal bayar sebelum order. Dia sengaja nggak jawab tilpon karena nggak mau bayar.

Tau tau si Yudinya malah kabur. Katanya mau minjem duit buat bayar. Begitu teman saya balik ke Jakarta, eh dia udah ada lagi di rumahnya.

Jadi waktu diadukan ke kantor polisi nggak pernah teman saya dan Yudi di satu ruangan bersama polisi.

Padahal kalo dia betul nggak nipu dan niat baik, kan dia bisa ngomong baik baik di depan polisi kenyapa dia nggak bayar utang dan itu bukan penipuan. Misalnya ada kecelakaan, dst.

Akhirnya karena nggak ada teman saya di kantor polisi, si Yudi bisa meyakinkan polisi kalo kasusnya bukan penipuan tapi sekedar utang nggak bisa bayar (perdata). Padahal, kalo orang udah ada yang mau beli barang dengan harga lebih tinggi, bisnis gimana bisa rugi coba, kecuali kalo ada penipuan atau kecelakaan yang tidak diduga sebelumnya.

Orang yang nulis cek nggak jelas. Katanya dia ditipu juga ama si Yudi.

Temen saya niat baik tungguin nggak balik balik. Akhirnya kita deal ama polisi. Yang penting ini orang masuk penjara. Barang kita masih sisa ditempatnya Yudi. Ya sono deh barangnya kita bagi dua ama polisi. Tapi polisi bilang kalo ini barang belum bisa disita. Praduga nggak bersalah lah.

Begitu balik ke Jakarta si Yudinya udah ada lagi. Langsung di ciduk ama Kasad. Begitu sore statusnya jadi wajib lapor. Si Yudi itu bohong ama Kasad. Dia sengaja nggak mau dipertemukan dengan saksi korban di depan polisi. Tapi ngakunya cari duit. Padahal kita udah bilang tegas tidak mau damai kecuali semua dibayar lunas. Semua dibayar lunas pun kita nggak mau damai karena sudah rugi jutaan rupiah buat datang ke bali. Tapi kalo dibayar lunas ya kita nggak ada alasan lagi buat nuntut terus dong. Toh nggak mungkin ini.

Bahkan ada pengusaha terkenal di Bali rugi 300 juta. Kebetulan pengusaha itu punya koneksi ke polisi yang pangkatnya lebih tinggi lagi. Akhirnya si Yudi di adili dan dipenjara.

Nah ini yang aneh. Jaksa teman pengusaha yang dirugikan 300 juta itu mau menuntut Yudi dengan pasal kriminal penipuan berpola. Tapi polisi malah bilang "tidak ada korban lain"

Memang sebagian besar korban menerima sebagian dari uang mereka. Ini merubah status dari perdata ke pidana. Jadi bukannya nggak ada korban lain, tapi technically bukan pidana.

Tapi teman saya sudah menolak dengan tegas kesepakatan itu. Teman saya tidak mau damai kok. Paling tidak ada 1 kasus penipuan si Yudi ini yang seharusnya tetap pidana.

Langsung saya bilang ke orang itu kalo korban lain banyak. Teman saya salah satunya. Polisi bilang sudah damai. Padahal BELUM dan TIDAK akan pernah.

Kita diberi tahu apabila kita mau menerima sebagian kecil saja dari pembayaran, kasusnya berubah jadi perdata. Jadi dia merugikan kita 35 juta, lalu kita ditawarkan terima 8 juta misalnya. Karena dendam kita tidak memilih untuk berdamai sedikitpun. Demi keadilan kita ingin sampah ini dipenjara selama mungkin.

Akhirnya Yudi dipenjara karena kasus yang 300 juta itu. Kasus kasus lain nggak effek semua.

Tau nggak berapa bulan? Cuman 1 setengah taon. Padahal dia pasti udah ngabisin duit orang 400 juta sampe 1 miliar.

Tukang becak ngayuh becak bertaon taon nggak jadi 300 juta. Malah becaknya dirampas ama polisi dijadikan rumpon.

Cewek jalan malem malem di razia. Joki three in one ditangkepin. Seat belt diurusin. Tapi begitu orang nipu, polisi kok lamban banget ya?

Kalo ama tukang becak, pornography, wanita pemijat, yang mau sama mau, kok hukum bisa kejem banget? Kok begitu korbannya ada seperti kasus penipuan gini malah susah banget masukin orang kepenjara.

Coba kalo ada orang ke panti pijat. Apa itu orang mau lapor polisi kalo dia "korban" pemijatan plus plus? Tapi ini kasus penipuan, korbannya sampe terbang kebali kok nggak digubris?

Tapi ada kabar gembira. Saya barusan tilpon polisi. Polisi bilang kalo kasus temen saya bisa dibuka lagi. Katanya si Yudi akan dipenjara lebih lama kalo kasusnya pisah pisah. Bagus deh. Saya gembira sekali. Kita lihat saja nanti?

Memang susah disalain kalo polisi nggak mau nangkep maling. Saya punya temen polisi nembakin maling di kepala sampe puluhan. Bukannya dia jadi pahlawan nasional tapi malah dipenjara karena bunuh orang kebanyakan.

Meskipun teman saya sudah bisa menerima kehilangan uang 35 juta. Toh duit tinggal cari lagi. Kita tetap tidak bisa menerima orang jahat untung 35 juta karena kita.

Terus terang, saya berharap kalo sisa barang yang teman saya punya itu disita saja oleh polisi dan uangnya buat polisi yang memenjarakan Yudi. Saya lebih mending gitu dari pada uangnya dinikmati oleh orang yang menipu teman saya.

Pernah suatu waktu saya ke Bali. Saya lihat ada spanduk yang bilang kalo musuh masyarakat yang terbesar itu pelacur, narkoba, dan judi. Saya agak bingung. Soalnya taon sebelumnya Bali di bom. Kok terrorist nggak termasuk "musuh masyarakat" yang terbesar ya? Begitu saya pulang, eh Bali di Bom lagi. Abis mereka bukannya konsentrasi membantai terrorist malah nangkepin orang adu ayam. Daerah lain di Indo malah lebih gawat lagi.

Kalo negara kita sibuk ngurusin bisnis bisnis yang korbannya nggak ada, ya yang korbannya ada seperti terorist dan penipu gini jadi malah nggak dihukum. Ya tambah banyak deh kejadian.

Coba, suku bunga di Amerikan sekarang cuman .3% setaon. Kalo aja bangsa kita bisa dipercaya, pasti banyak dari uang tersebut sudah diinvestasikan di negara ini. Semua orang punya modal dagang, semua untung. Investor untung kita untung. Negara maju.

Tapi suku bunga di Indo tetap saja tinggi. Minjem duit buat modal susah. Kenyapa? Karena resiko penipuan tinggi. Kenyapa tinggi? Karena orang orang seperti Yudi nggak dipenjara. Itu kenyapa negara kita terus saja tertinggal dibanding Malaysia dan Singapore (yang melegalkan judi by the way).

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