November 30, 2009 / 09:33
Did Harper say this before or after you showed how much you would like to be in his pants.... I means shoes?
November 30, 2009 / 10:20
The tics of politics. If the country's leaders were as good at managing the nation's business as they were at politikin the country would be in great shape.
November 30, 2009 / 16:15
what a douche. too bad harper is incapable of taking the high road.
with respect to the torture issue he was likely referring to, people are disappointed with the politicians involved, not the troops. sounds like harper's trying to throw our men in uniform under the bus.
November 30, 2009 / 18:57
"That just about says it all".
Sorry Fred, it only says that he is a coward, willing to put our valiant soldiers in front of him so he doesn't get stones cast at him!
I stand behind our mandate, I stand behind our troops - Harper is hiding behind them.
November 30, 2009 / 20:34
Uh, hello! Harper and our brave troops HAD NOTHING to do with allegations/or the torture of prisoners.
Any mistreatment happened only AFTER the prisoners were turned over to THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN!
The real inquiry that E-Jack-U-Layton will be shooting off for, should be focused on the AFGHANIS who committed the torture... but no, Taliban Jack-off has to slag our troops, again.
Layton drops another load in his pants.
November 30, 2009 / 23:54
When did anyone involved in this ever accuse soldiers of any wrongdoing? Like to see that Fred, you and Right Uppercut here take all the time you need to pull it out of your ass.
The people accused here are members of the Harper government, specifically the Ministers of Defence and Foreign Affairs, who allegedly had knowledge that prisoners turned over to Afghan authorities were likely to be tortured. That is illegal.
Once again, Harper lies and his supporters are there to spin it for him. What a joke.
December 1, 2009 / 00:07
By the way Fred, write a post on the advertising campaign for Canada's Economic Action Plan. I'd love to hear how it's the best idea ever for spending our money in a recession, and how it makes the Conservative party the most brilliant political organization in the 4.6 billion year history of the earth.
December 1, 2009 / 08:04
Right Uppercut is correct.
December 1, 2009 / 11:01
Once again the point is missed by Fred and Right whatever his name is. It's not about the troops; it's about our politicians knowing that this was occurring and lying and said they had no idea. Nobody is trying to hang out troops out to dry. Should we be handing over captives to be tortured I don't think we should regardless of the situation. That said I don't blame the troops I blame the suppression of facts by our current government. Our troops deserve praise every step of the way. It's the politicians lying saying they never received any notice about this. Kind of like the isotope bungling by that hack Lisa Raitt.
December 1, 2009 / 12:07
In gov't the truth is called transparency.
December 1, 2009 / 12:51
Frank, Mikey - when Ignatieff and Layton start calling the words of Gen. Hillier and Menard into question, that is accusing our soldiers of wrong doing. They are directly responsible for what happens to detainees over there, and they are intimately acquainted with the laws in respect to this responsibility. TO quote Gen. Menard, "“The sole authority for this, the only authority, is me. Nobody in Canada can direct me to release anybody. Nobody. The task force commander is the authority for releasing, transferring or to keep them.”
They have both given their assurances that detainees are being treated properly, before and after handoff, but that''s not good enough for the opposition. Therefore, they are questioning the integrity of our soldiers. Get it?
December 1, 2009 / 13:14
I'll always support out troops; but why the Hell are they in Afghanistan. I'll be happy as Hell when Harper zips up and brings them home.
December 1, 2009 / 13:34
Franker the Wanker
You have such great replies and show lots of class, a sign of great intelligience.
Lowman from Mikeville
Will the real Mike please stand up.
December 1, 2009 / 14:03
"Good day, Mr. Taliban. My name is Jack Layton and I am launching an inquiry into alleged mistreatment of Afghan detainees. What say we assemble 'round the dinner table and discuss this like adults?"
Chop.
December 1, 2009 / 16:44
The same freedoms that the likes of Jack Layton scream about and stand on in the legislature like a carnival barker are the same freedoms that our troops fight for in Afghanistan. If Mr. Layton and his handful of followers left in Canada that still support the NDP really stood for freedom and democracy than they would support this cause.
I still don't get how people can say ‘well I support the troops but I want them out of Afghanistan.’ You either support them or you don't, right or wrong. You can agree or disagree with the mission but don't hide behind this veil of patriotism while our men and women fight for the flag. Even if it were a Conservative, Liberal or NDP( I know it’s laughable) government in power I would still support their decisions in sending our troops into battle if it meant the rest of the world and Canada were made safer.
December 1, 2009 / 17:54
God, you people act so much like 5 year olds whose parents can do know wrong it's embarrassing.
If we're doing something wrong, we should know about it. Don't give me this convoluted spiel Mississauga about patriotism. Patriotism is wanting to see your country better itself, not ignore real issues with your head in the sand.
December 1, 2009 / 19:46
Mikey, you're embarrassing. You're accusing Harper of lying, yet you complain that we don't have all the facts. Sounds like you've made your mind up on this whole matter already. You asked when anyone accused soldiers of wrongdoing. I provided a response. Or did you conveniently overlook it?
December 1, 2009 / 19:59
Mikey:
If the grits, separatist-traitors, and the socialists hadn't threatened to vote down the government BY DEMANDING the Harper government blow massive wads of taxpayer's money in so-called 'stimulus' spending, the Tories would NOT have run the 'economic action' plan ads in the first place!
So; put the blame where it belongs... on a bunch of clowns who want to leave Canada, knuckle-dragging throwbacks to Stalin and Lenin, along with the tax-and-spend liberals!
It has not been proven (just speculation and theory), that the earth is over 4 billion years old, but the liberals/separtists/commies are well past their due date!
I suppose you believe in glo-BULL warming/climate change (or whatever the Gore-zukis are calling it this week), as well, Mikey!
December 1, 2009 / 20:37
Mississauga,
Your problem is that you can't break the issue down into their compnent parts. You said it yourself.
Maybe try joining up and serving your country before criticising others who can separate the mission from the troops. They're doing a professional job over there, however they shouldn't be in country in the first place. Two different issues.
Been there. Served my country for over two decades. Traveled to many places, and was charged with many tasks. I didn't agree with some of them but those of us still did our duty. It doesn't mean the task and the troops are one in the same.
Support the troops, end op on the mission.
December 2, 2009 / 00:48
Torpedo - if you can't see the difference between the Generals in charge and the soldiers on the ground risking their lives, there's no point in going any further with this.
I haven't accused Harper of anything. Some people have made some accusations of the Harper government, which he and the cabinet ministers involved have said are not true. Now, logic says that one side has to be lying...wouldn't you like to find out who?
Or would it be just too much to take to find out that Harper, MacKay et al. did try to hide facts from the Canadian public and are, in fact, human.
Does no one find it strange that right off the bat with this situation the government was in complete denial of ever knowing or receiving information about prisoner treatment in Afghan prisons, but then all of a sudden remembers that they knew as soon as they took office? No one finds that strange? No one? Why would they do that? Me personally, I'd like to know, even if some of you don't.
December 2, 2009 / 10:05
"Once again, Harper lies and his supporters are there to spin it for him." - Mikey, November 30, 2009 / 23:54
"I haven't accused Harper of anything." - Mikey, December 2, 2009 / 00:48
December 2, 2009 / 10:15
"Torpedo - if you can't see the difference between the Generals in charge and the soldiers on the ground risking their lives, there's no point in going any further with this."
Ok, Mikey - so then let's make sure we're absolutely clear here, so I understand your position. We already know you're questioning the integrity of the Pols back home. You are not questioning the integrity of the foot soldiers on active duty, but you are questioning the integrity of Gen. Rick Hillier, Lt-Gen Gauthier, and Brig. Gen. Menard (because they're not real soldiers I guess?). Does that about sum it up?
December 2, 2009 / 14:19
Here's what sums it up Torpedo: the testimony of any person on the planet is only worth so much without evidence to back it up. If you want to blindly believe them you can, but for something this serious it's nice to have confirmation in some other form.
To me, Harper saying other politicians are attacking our men and women in uniform is a lie, and a pretty fucking dirty one (which matches his style). So what I said wasn't an accusation, it was a fact.
As for this whole situation, the only thing I've accused the government of is not being open with the facts. I didn't make the original accusations, people who know a lot more about this situation than you or I did.
December 2, 2009 / 17:25
"I didn't make the original accusations, people who know a lot more about this situation than you or I did."
Yeah - A person (who nobody previous to this had heard of) made the original accusations, and the opposition couldn't wait to run with it, despite the assurances of some of the most trusted men involved in the war. Hey, I'm ready to back spending millions of dollars on another inquiry over this!
December 2, 2009 / 19:52
Line of Sight
I'm grateful to you and the many soldiers that serve our country on a daily basis in far off lands that I can never imagine. Point taken.
I've never served, but that does not exclude me from having an opinion about this issue. If a sports reporter has never played professional hockey can they still write about the sport? Or is their opinion or view of less value?
My Grandfather fought in WWI and my Uncle was a POW of the German Army in WWII. Does this make my opinion of greater value than others, I beg to differ. So don't go with the holier than thou speech about serving my country. Point made.
You're right, I can't break it down because it’s a simple issue. You can’t support the troops if you don’t support the mission. You may not agree with the mission but by not supporting the mission that means you can’t support the brave men and women who have been given a mandate by our government. Plain and simple, no grey area, it’s black or white.
December 3, 2009 / 00:02
I'd be willing to spend money on it too. I mean after all, I just paid for a bunch of ridiculous commercials for our joke of an "Economic Action Plan."
Yea, that's right, I paid for those fucking commercials. FML
Mississauga - do you really fucking believe that anyone wants our soldiers to get their asses kicked and die? If you do you're a fucking whack job.
December 4, 2009 / 00:18
Mikey... read and learn history. Back in the drug-addled 60s, hippies, (so-called Americans), actually SPIT upon American soldiers returning from Vietnam.
Hollyweird was no better, what with Hanoi Jane spreading her legs upon a Vietcong anti-aircraft gun for a photo-op.
And now, yes; there are those in Canada who sickly desire our brave soldiers to die and lose the mission. You can find those types at most university campuses, acting as 'professors," along with socialist-communist parties, etc.
December 6, 2009 / 23:28
LOL, thanks a lot for the history lesson. Now what does this have to do with Canada?
Do you see anyone standing along the 401 protesting when the bodies of soldiers are being transported? As much as you'd like to spit on your fellow Canadians, disagreement is not a good enough reason.
December 7, 2009 / 21:43
Mikey: I've seen stoned and wasted "professional students" snear at our troops when they had a welcome back ceremony at Toronto City Hall following the First Gulf War.
So; that bullshit does happen.
Maybe the looney left is 'cunning' enough to avoid doing so along the 401, but those insidious thoughts are there, even today.
So ends your remedial history lesson for today.
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