November 14, 2009 / 14:41
Right on Freddie. It's a disgusting practice that has no place in Canada.
November 14, 2009 / 15:28
Not much different than sending your kid to private school meet other rich kids for business and marriage.
November 14, 2009 / 16:51
Percival, you're kidding aren't you? You've got to be kidding! Or are you part of the discontent underachievers who resent those who did.
November 14, 2009 / 16:57
Seriously man! One is coercion in the extreme, where an entire family force one member to marry a man she's never met. The other is monied individuals sending their kids to monied schools and HOPING they will marry someone monied. When did you last hear of a Bishop Strachan girl being taken out of the country and not being allowed to return without marrying the guy they'd chosen? It's not happening.
November 14, 2009 / 17:00
One is forced, the other is hope.. big difference.. and to be honest, you lost me with the Bishop Strachan bit.
November 14, 2009 / 17:32
Who could forget St Elsewhere when the Indian Doc had an arranged marriage. It fell apart and no one wanted to talk to him about it. Finally one expressed their condolances and he said `that`s ok, she was one ugly broad`.
November 14, 2009 / 17:32
Sorry I lost you there. Bishop Stachan is a private school very well known to the Eatons and the Bassetts and the Rogers' and other well-monied families in Toronto. http://bss.on.ca/v2/
November 14, 2009 / 18:30
I like when new Canadians bring some of their customs & traditions with them when they hit our shores.
However the oppressive attitudes towards their wives, daughters and women should be left behind.
Embrace Canada and make our some of our customs some of your new ones.
November 14, 2009 / 19:11
Compelling post, Fred.
Once again we see the Star acting as an apologist on behalf unacceptable immigrant practices. And I'll repeat your word - that is despicable. You'll find their editors screaming louder for the rights of Omar Khadr.
I don't know where to start here. For me, this is a gender issue more than anything - where a woman is served up to the highest bidder. It is sexual slavery. As Canadian citizens, these women are entitled to protection, their tormentors deserve jail, but I don't see that happening, because any politician that gets that ball rolling will lose the South Asian vote.
The high school I went to in the 70s had a large italian population. I had two girls in my class in grade 9 who were engaged to older men they had never met. Both girls were to be married after grade 10, once they turned 16. Although both girls had engagement rings, neither one was happy about their fate. I remember being so shocked and disgusted and wondered how their parents could be so cruel...
November 14, 2009 / 22:09
This is so despicable on many levels. Along with Genital Mutilation and other old world practices, as a father of a teenage daughter it sickens me to what value these parents put on their daughters.
I just did a Google search on women fleeing these marriages and it is happening all over the world, large number in England. The number of family honour killings is just outrageous.
I hope any girls living here with an arranged marriage hanging over their heads flee, as there are people in their communities set up to help them. The isolation and the sense of disgracing the family seems to stop most.
Our WW1 & WW2 vets fought so that we could enjoy the freedoms we have, just because a group of newcomers has a sickening Cultural tradition we should not cave to the Multi Cult apologists, this practice has no place in Canadian society and should be banned.
November 15, 2009 / 06:17
Right on Freddie. Pam, you clearly didn't read the Star piece - at least not the one I read. It in no way apologises or downplays the injustice of the practice of forced marriages.
From the article:
Forced marriage can also be a matter of family honour. "It's acceptable if the son is dating someone, but God save you if you, a girl, have a boyfriend," says Amandeep Kaur, manager of Punjabi Community Health Services.
"It's totally unacceptable."
and:
"Parents think if they marry their daughter off to someone who was born and raised in, say, Pakistan, it will help preserve the culture," says Mattoo. "What they don't understand is that they are wreaking havoc on their kids' lives."
I'm not getting your "once again the Star acting as an apologist" thing you refer to ...
Not everything liberal (note the small "l") is bad boys and girls in right-wing land. How about kudos to the Star for researching and writing the story? They've flagged the issue up, which is more than any other media outlet in Canada has done.
November 15, 2009 / 11:32
No kudos to the Star. I am chosing not to read the paper anymore, and not browse their site. I have read too many anti police, anti Canadian troop stories and dont want my 'hits' on their site making them money. I encourage all to do the same.
November 15, 2009 / 14:55
Re Khadr...it's not normal for a large newspaper to put him on the front page 5 days of 7. And to hit the supreme court? This is an extremely rich and powerful family who is not a friend of the west.
November 15, 2009 / 15:02
Our caste system has people with Mercedes Benz and BMW's. They live in rich areas. Think they are the priveleged lot. They send their kids to private schools not only avoid riff raff but to meet other rich kids who will be business contacts and to marry a rich mate.
November 15, 2009 / 15:12
Ralphie: what's wrong with being successful, making money and enjoying the benefits of same?
As for arranged "marriages..." rah rah, just another very dubious "benefit" of forced multi-cult, another legacy from Chairman Mao... er Pierre.
November 15, 2009 / 15:48
Don't forget the Catholics hate your way of life Fred; allowing divorce, using contraceptives instead of seeding every spring – maybe you can help your brothers and sisters understand that eventually the religious zealots are exposed for their misgivings and our great Canadian culture is eventually adopted – give them your warm shoulder, not the cold one.
I love that old South Asian song – Match maker match maker make me a match…..
November 15, 2009 / 16:10
Lew: Man, you're awesome. You're using that tired old liberal tactic called "relativism". That's where you take something so despicable and wrong like arrange marriage and honor killings and compare it to a Christian belief (or in this case, Catholic) that doesn't condone g@y marriage or abortion.
I really thought you were smarter than that. You should be writing for the Toronto Star instead of just wasting away on pot in BC.
November 15, 2009 / 18:15
Right---I don't support either. Arranged marriages are draconian. Sending your kids to private schools. I would do it if I could. But for a quality education.
November 15, 2009 / 22:46
Romy - you are wrong - as of Sunday night , the online Star hasn't published one letter in response to the article. That tells me they are being careful not to offend the special interest groups.
November 16, 2009 / 09:10
Jason Kenny has it right. If you don't agree with this then don't comer here. Plain and simple.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/discover/section-04.asp
November 16, 2009 / 11:12
Just an update for Romy: not one reader letter in the Star about the South Asian forced marriage article. Not one editorial demanding the community end this practice.
There is however, as I pointed out in an earlier post, an outraged demand on behalf of Omar Khadr....
November 16, 2009 / 11:15
In the Muslim faith, a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and
have sexual intimacy with this child, consummating the marriage by 9.
The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase
of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.
Even though a woman is abused she cannot obtain a divorce.
To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return
the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honour killing) to restore the honour of the
family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and they do not have to say why.
The husband is permitted to have 4 wives, and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute)
at his discretion.
The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.
In the West World, Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife
cannot obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming
how many young women attending Canadian Universities are
now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their
children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.
November 16, 2009 / 12:11
Pam I fail to see the point you are trying to make. Must be nice to live in a world where there is only way of seeing things.
November 16, 2009 / 13:23
The Star doesn't always allow letters online particularly around their front page pal Omar Khadr. Did they allow letters for arranged marriages?
November 16, 2009 / 13:23
Pam - No newspaper - NONE - enable comments for any racially sensitive piece (for obvious reasons). Like it, or not, it isn't just an issue for the Star. The Globe nor the Post would enable comments for that story either. Again, you're missing my point: The Star DID the story, which is so obviously critical of arranged marriages (just read the piece); no other paper has done that. Congrats to their people for shining a light on a shameful practice.
November 16, 2009 / 13:26
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/725781--forced-to-wed-they-think-they-re-doing-what-s-best-for-the-child?bn=1#comments
there were lots Jake
November 16, 2009 / 14:52
Maybe I'm wrong but last time I looked, readers of the Post were free to reply to "sensitive" issues of race. This forced marriage thing was a big Saturday news feature at the Star a few years back. After that article, a follow-up interviewed and photographed supposedly happy victims of arranged marriages. Please, let's not give the Star credit for recycling stories.
November 16, 2009 / 17:29
Sigh, Yes, there were lots of comments Romy, as Gus has pointed out. What I am asking is where is the Star's official editorial stance on this issue? There isn't one yet, just another on Omar Khadr....
November 16, 2009 / 21:04
The Khadr family won't allow comments.
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