December 7, 2008 / 13:23
What if Harper had had a "hidden agenda" with the Bloc and after the election told everyone he had a coalition with the Bloc and now a majority.
Would all the "lefties" say "that's fine."
December 7, 2008 / 15:22
Fuzzy math from the traitors.
December 7, 2008 / 16:54
Every time the socialists and anti-war movements hold a rally in Toronto, they bus in thugs from Quebec to beef up the numbers. Yesterday, it was far too cold to finish up the rally with their usual property-damage rampage of downtown Toronto...
Caught Madam Chiang Kai Chow yesterday on Global's "Focus Ontario". She was incapable of answering any question directly, claimed the polls were wrong used and bafflegab and unsubstantiated guff in an attempt to dazzle host Sean O'Malley, who, by the way made mincemeat out of her...
December 7, 2008 / 22:53
Ya you know what I think the polls are wrong too, lets have another vote. Lets put your "62%" to the test.
Oh one other problem, where is the leader of this Coaltion, I read this morning his party is already testing the rope to hang him. Last week they were all ready to have him as PM, this week they can't get rid of him fast enough. If only the NDP were so quick to change their mind.
December 7, 2008 / 23:26
I haven't heard anything about any Conservatives losing their seats in the House, so how exactly is your vote being taken away.
What is your vote? Civics lesson: You vote for your particular Member of Parliament. Those Members make up the House of Commons. So your vote is not being taken away, your leader failed in his attempt to govern.
These are typical right-wing tactics: base your argument on a lie, then vehemently defend that lie by calling anyone who disagrees unpatriotic, or not a Canadian. You can't have an intelligent discussion about issues without using the truth.
The only people in this situation who've had their votes taken away are the 307 Members of Parliament that aren't named Stephen Harper. If you think the people in favour of the coalition, or in favour of Harper's removal from power are definite socialists, then you are definite fascists by supporting Harper's move to shut down our government.
December 8, 2008 / 07:57
Ignatieff is coming in and I think he is a bit more rational than the other clowns in there. He will respect the election results.
Stephane Dion's dream is over. What a legacy he has left behind.
December 8, 2008 / 08:39
Nice try Mikey. You guys just don't want to put this to a vote do you?
Why? Are you a afraid of something?
December 8, 2008 / 09:58
Mikey,
Typical left wing tactics to massage any result or fact and make it work in your favour.
Simple facts that you manage to conveniently omit.
1. The suspension of parliament was legal, as is your coalition. The simple fact is that everyone was all pissed off, and a cooling off period was in order.
2. The coalition was arguably weak. What better way to test their resolve and co-operative strength then to have them sit for a month. Well lo and behold the day after the coalition is already falling apart. A week after they're changing leaders. In hind sight, thank God they weren't running the country while they're bickering.
3. Look at any public poll, and the majority of Canadians are not for the transfer of power to the coaltion, and that in my opinion is because all the of the Leaders are Ass-hats. If those 3 want to bring down the government, and they want to do it with the support of the majority of people, have another election.
If you so want to have diplomatic process, why aren't you screaming for another election, instead of crying over spilled milk. Nothing more democratic than an election. And since according to you lefties, the polls are full of sh!t so you should be eager to have a Liberal majority government in light of what Harper has done.
December 8, 2008 / 10:17
What nice try? Too many facts? Too much logic there for you? My apologies, but I just don't think Stephen Harper should be allowed to run this country by himself.
December 8, 2008 / 11:13
Jack Layton and his coalition is dead in the water along with his NDP popularity.Talk about not listening to the people. Here the idiot is holding up the hand of total loser Dion in front of the usual socialist suspects. And where is Bob Rae, well he's going across Canada trying to sell his idea of the coalition. Have you ever seen such a bunch of losers.
I am not a big fan of Ignatieff but he is coming out of this smelling like a rose and just gauranteed himself as leader of the liberals.
December 8, 2008 / 11:23
Back up, Mikey. All the way back to Oct 15th, please. It's the day after the election, and Jack Layton has decided he's not going to bother cooperating with Harper, or work for the Canadian people. He's plotting an overthrow and he stews in his hatred of Harper until he gets an in. This sore loser wants to take the country and it's people by force - and call it legal. I call it taking my vote.
December 8, 2008 / 11:57
I believe that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the population.
December 8, 2008 / 12:09
That might be true Lew but it's well known that 57.5% of most statistics are made up so ....
December 8, 2008 / 12:27
I can't really come to terms with calling it "The Coalition".
Call it what it really is, "The Separatist Alliance".
This term I think is more reflective of what it represents and more inclusive. I think that Jack, Stephen and Gilles would be much more comfortable with this description. Wouldn't want to leave anybody out.
December 8, 2008 / 12:44
I am tired of all this shit. Just call an election.
December 8, 2008 / 13:15
Trish - please elaborate on what force will be used. Also, they call it legal because it is, just like Harper shutting down parliament to avoid a vote on the House's confidence in his government is also legal.
Although I don't particularly like Jack Layton, he has said many times, as recently as a few days ago, that he would never refuse a request to meet and discuss issues with the Prime Minister. He also said he doesn't trust the Prime Minister to take his advice or the advice from any other opposition MP, and I don't blame him.
So while it's fine for you to feel that your vote is being stolen, you are wrong, it isn't. Oh, and everything you say about Layton is pure speculation on your part, unless maybe you're a self-hating member of the NDP with insider access.
It would be so much easier to move this country forward if people just took their anger and directed it to the man responsible for getting us into this mess in the first place.
December 8, 2008 / 13:43
Mikey,
You seem to have an awful lot of time to yap away on this blog.
Do you work??? If so, can you let me know where??? I'd love to apply there because it must be nice to have such a generous employer letting you spend all this time on non-business matters.
For me, I can only use my 2 ten minute coffe breaks a day to access non-company websites and that includes taking care of mother nature.
December 8, 2008 / 13:51
wake up freddie - nobody is taking your vote away. your guy acted like a jerk, and without a majority (which the voters wisely withheld), he couldn't back it up.
we need to get used to coalition governments - europeans have had them for years.
frankly, garth turner's blog is more interesting, and more relevant these days.
December 8, 2008 / 13:53
Layton is responsible for this mess. It was his choice to blindly rush into this coalition without a plan. Did he really think the GG wouldn't grant a prorogue? Now he's dealing with the blow to the coalition's image (as if it even had one) as dealt by Dion, and the power struggle between Rae and Ignatieff. An election will finish these boys for once and for all.
December 8, 2008 / 13:55
Mikey,
I'm with you. I don't blame the PM for not wanting to take the advice of opposition MP's.
The "insider" information we have is the recorded conference call, lead by Layton. In it he said that no matter what the issue, he was going to form the coalition and bring down the government.
I hope the PM gives any of Layton's "advice" the due consideration it deserves.
December 8, 2008 / 14:15
Thanks James - that was the only stat I ever believed in :(
December 8, 2008 / 14:15
Mikey, re: your response to Trish. I could say the same thing about you. Isn't everything you say about Harper pure speculation? At the very least, you spout the same rhetoric that has come from the opposition parties. Why is it that your opinion is supposedly based on facts and everyone else is just spewing right wing rhetoric? Typical self-rightous left wing nonsense.
December 8, 2008 / 14:30
Hi Bob - thank you for reading my comments! I'd be more than happy to speak on your behalf with your employer regarding your working conditions. You don't even get a lunch, that's not right...perhaps you should think about unionizing?
Yes, Jack Layton put together a coalition, just like Stephen Harper did in 2004. So please stop with the holier than thou attitude. So the coalition, or the framework of one, was in place, but lets not forget who left the door wide open for you.
PS. The recorded conference call you refer to took place November 29th. The government's fiscal update was given on November 27th. So please don't insult my intelligence that this coalition was going to happen no matter what the issue.
December 8, 2008 / 14:36
Marie - My opinion is just that, an opinion. But I try my very best to use facts to back it up and show how I came to form that opinion. What I don't do is scream and yell the same things over, like having my vote taken away, or that a coalition government is not democratic, or that the government is being overthrown by force.
December 8, 2008 / 15:06
Hey, anybody catch this quote from Bob Rae (current champion of the Coalition)?
“Let’s urge everyone in a position to influence this to put a stop to this hasty, ill-considered idea before it goes any further,” Rae wrote in an e-mail sent from bob@bobrae.ca. “I urge you to contact your nearest Liberal Member of Parliament, and any of the following, to let them know how you feel about this attempt to take away your vote.”
It almost sounds like he's talking about the Coalition! He's actually talking about the Liberal Leadership process. What's the problem Bob? You don't like your leader being decided by back-room, closed door meeting instead of having an election?
Too rich.
December 8, 2008 / 15:23
Hey Max, I saw Bob on TV last night and he was saying the same things. I thought it was interesting that he wants all liberals to have a choice in the leadership of his party, but he doesn't want all Canadians to have the opportunity to choose between the Conservatives and the Coalition via an election. Interesting.
December 8, 2008 / 15:37
Ya Ian ironic eh?
Canada should accept the coaltion withotu a vote, but the Liberal Party shouldn't follow their constitution and put Ignatief in as interm-leader because every Liberal Party member should have their say/vote.
Hypocrite. The common thread is whatever works out best for him.
As for Ignatief, he's not behind the coalition idea. I wonder what you'll say Mikey when he steers his party away from this idea.
December 8, 2008 / 16:07
Good point Pauly, and indeed Iggy WILL steer his party away from the coalition idea, creating a further divide between himself and Rae, who may as well return to the NDP. He showed his true colour over the last week and it is orange, not red.
As for me, I can't wait until the Canadian public gets a real taste of Ignatieff, who let's face it, really wanted to run for US office, but couldn't. We should be highly suspicious of a man who wasn't witness to the most eventful three decades in our history and now he thinks he can waltz in, reeking of Ivy League ambition and become our leader. Those of you who think Harper was in bed with Americans - watch out for Iggy. Finally, ever taken a good look at that shifty, flim-flam man gaze, that insincere smile? He makes Harper seem look a fluffy kitty. Yes Canada, wake up indeed!
December 8, 2008 / 17:36
I don't understand what the problem is Fred...I voted three times. Actually, I didn't vote at all, and when you look at the antics of all these four clowns, it's not hard to understand why. I've never comprehended seeing only the "right" point of view, yet so many people fall on one side of the line or the other so there is no room for compromise or sane solutions.
I do agree, however that nobody voted for a coalition, so there is no way a coalition should govern without an election. As for Harper's smarmy, sneaky little tactics...he makes me wanna puke.
December 8, 2008 / 17:53
Ok, I guess I have to weigh in ;)
1 - What's backroom and closed-door about a vote in the House of Commons? Television cameras have been allowed inside the House for over thirty years, it's certainly more transparent than a two hour meeting with the GG behind giant, thick doors....that were closed.
2 - If Michael Ignatieff becomes leader of the Liberal Party good for him, pretty much anyone would be better than Stephane Dion. That's not saying that Dion has not done a lot of good things for this country, he's just not good leadership material. Now, if Ignatieff decides not to support a coalition to defeat the government that's fine too. I've never said there absolutely has to be a coalition government, at all costs. But I do disagree with taking away the right of the opposition to make that choice. Harper should join Dion in resigning.
December 8, 2008 / 18:36
More truth to the fact that this coalition is badly disorganized and doomed to failure. It has already seen the demise of one political career in it's brief life, and it will see the end of at least one other. Will it be Rae or Layton?
December 10, 2008 / 03:02
What happened the value of self-responsibility that the conservatives are always going on about? Doesn't Harper deserve some criticism for not securing a majority in not one, but two elections?
Its funny how the sentiment here is that a bunch of mean nasty bullies beat up on the small guy at school. Why couldn't that guy learn how to fight?
The coalition is happening not because the NDP, Liberals, and Bloc aren't playing fair. Its going through because Harper dropped the ball twice trying to get a majority.
But then again, we can't ever blame Glorious Leader, can we?
December 11, 2008 / 02:57
when the rest of us were at university taking politics 101 you were at the KTEL school of broadcasting..then it was off to do potty mouth radio...but even though you missed politics 101, if you listened to journalist like Don Newman you would have learned that in a parliamentary democracy, the prime minister and his cabinet need the confidence of the house...Harper lost the confidence...and my suspicion is that if the Grits had a small minority and Harper cobbled a coaliton together he would be a hero
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