January 25, 2008 / 12:28
Here here Freddie! Excellent comment. I wonder if kids go through a segregated school system, how are they going to deal with other cultures when they have to go and work in the real world? Responsible kids get their start in life at home. Schools can only teach so much.
January 25, 2008 / 12:35
Fred, you have beaten this topic to death already several times. I fully agree with you but unfortunately nobody is listening to people like us.
As wrong as it is, let them try and I can already give you the results:The drop out rate will not go down and there will be more violence in these schools than in the "mixed" ones. Of course, they will still find more reasons to blame the rest of the society for their failures.
I also agree with you that it is more of a cultural thing (i.e. Jamaican)than a black thing. What bothers me is that the other black cultures (i.e. Bermuda, Aruba, etc.)never get together and publicly and in great numbers denounce this insane idea. Scared?? Maybe??? Who knows.
January 25, 2008 / 13:30
Well said Fred!
We have all heard lots of discussion on this but your argument is as good & clear as any I have heard!
January 25, 2008 / 14:30
This is mind boggling, nothing short of counter-productive nonsense coming from both sides of the fence. The worst possible solution ever. An absurd sick joke and an embarrasement to Canada and what Canada is all about.
January 25, 2008 / 14:42
"We do not yet adequately understand the way in which the different environments in the world have selected over time the genes which determine our capacity to do different things," he is quoted as saying. "The overwhelming desire of society today is to assume that equal powers of reason are a universal heritage of humanity.
"It may well be. But simply wanting this to be the case is not enough. This is not science. To question this is not to give in to racism. This is not a discussion about superiority or inferiority, it is about seeking to understand differences." - Dr. James Watson
January 25, 2008 / 14:59
Bob (and anyone else),
What do you think other human beings from this country and that country standing up against I suppose.. Jamacians.. (who have somehow been villainized the most here) will accomplish? Something positive? Imagine all these silly sub groups getting up and saying "we're not with them" I bet that would make everyone get along and drop their guns.
How about we realise that there are single parent families in every culture and zhyt disturbers in every race and creed and a number of factors including (but not limited to) poverty, literacy/education, young mothers, abuse, self-esteem, sense of community/belonging, and self-respect all play a role in how young people move towards guns and violence.
Now it would be hard to argue than a number of things in pop culture are not guilty of promoting a gangster type of lifestyle or what have you, because they are.
Maybe one thing to do would ask the perpetuators of this nonsence to help us put books in libraries and fund extra curricular activity.
These guys who want to be 'soulja boys' or whatever if they are such heroes why don;t they build learning centres from the money they make out of their stupid clothing lines?
You know who I am "not with"? The media who invents headlines like "the sumer of the gun" and show a slanted view of truth because it's what people want to see.
Statistically, there might be a bigger problem in certain communities, I don't really care.
Stop looing at them as "the other" and not our problem, that isn't how Canada works. Accept it.
We open our arms to everyone, well, I guess we have to help fix their shyt too.
What a pain in the ass. Oh well, welcome to the real world. It's not going to change just because someone thinks they are more right than the other side.
How come asians or this group or that group don't have these problems? I don't know but these schools are not the answer and anyone should be able to see that.
January 25, 2008 / 15:13
With all due respect to Dr. Watson - and Sherlock Holmes too, for that matter - it doesn't take a Phd to recognize the differences, and understand them clearly. The Jamaican culture is incompatable with Canadian culture. That doesn't mean they, or we, are superior, inferior, or anything else. It means what may work back home does not work here, and never will. A new school won't change that. Parental responsibility might.
January 26, 2008 / 08:15
To Other Steve, Dr James Watson is not Sherlock's side kick he is a Molecular Biologist. He received a Nobel Prize for his work, in concert with Dr Francis Crick, which elucidated the structure of DNA (the stuff that makes us a blonde Sweedish hottie or a nerdy geek). A towering intellect some of his opinions, all backed by solid science, run counter to political correctness and he has paid the price.
January 26, 2008 / 14:12
No, really? Are you sure it wasn't Watson, the assistant in the room next to Alexander Graham Bell? Crikey.
January 26, 2008 / 14:58
Could not agree with you more, Fred. I'm glad my kids have friends, teachers, soccer coaches and neighbors from all over the world living with us here in Brampton. They grew up getting the distinction between race and colour and culture, it is part of their diet, literally.
January 26, 2008 / 16:01
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January 27, 2008 / 13:25
Other Steve, Don't know enough about Bell's methods to comment, it would make me look stupid.There are a lot of things I don't know just like Dr Watson who admits he does not have all the answers I wish I could understand it all so clearly like you. So tell us what are the things in Jamaican culture that work in Jamaica but not here. And what does incompatable mean.
January 27, 2008 / 14:06
Other Steve, it is debatable that this is just a Jamaican/Jane and Finch problem; I work in the East End of Vancouver and bring the same argument to the table as you have involving Natives. I’m sure that Australians can chime in on Aboriginals and Americans can discuss generations of blacks not being able to break free from their slums. Integration is attainable, but not to the extent we wish or expect or in your case – demand, as of yet.
Just blaming the parents is as big a cop-out as saying we give them welfare, so it’s not our problem. I applaud the idea behind the school, but am very sceptical that it can be honest with itself.
I think the Bell/Watson answer was to invent call display, so you don't have to pick-up.
January 27, 2008 / 15:58
Incompatable (sp) means incompatible,
professor, and where's the question mark? Here's a Whipper Billy Watson answer, so we don't have to wrestle with the issue any further.
January 29, 2008 / 15:09
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August 24, 2010 / 08:38
And I'm sure whining liberals are going to use this as another excuse to impose more government meddling into private companies and make it harder for companies to compete, employ workers and do business by heaping another pile of stupid regulations upon them.
September 11, 2010 / 09:54
Dont really know who mom was - there were a few times they called the maid, 'Mom. You get the picture!'. Now that I have found out the root causes of the problem (that I didnt know them good enough as a mom).
September 11, 2010 / 11:22
Get ready to go out - pack the necessary items for daily outings. I needed to be the real mom. To do so, I had to pick things up fast.
September 12, 2010 / 07:44
Eating problem - they did not have a good eating habit - always having the wrong food at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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I listened with great interest yesterday as Toronto’s talk radio stations dealt with Africentric schools.
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