December 10, 2007 / 09:16
Well Fred most of the US doesn't regularly recycle and China pretty much doesn't know the word and nore does India for that matter. So should we stop bothering with recycling altogether because they dont do it? Once again Harpers government keeps telling us what it won't do in regards to the environment and reduction of green house gasses, but he has of yet to tell us anything it is going to do.
It's been demonstrated that the US will do whatever it wants to do in regards to any situation it faces whether or not the global community agrees. So do we follow suit then? Tired arguments from a tired man I say. Then again the ignorant route of well I won't do it because they won't do it as country seems to trical down to the regular masses with your neighbour John following the same route.
December 10, 2007 / 10:13
We should lead by example. Every little bit helps. Just waiting because the big guys aren't on board is a complete cop-out and cowardly.
How can you agree with that tactic?? It's up to individuals to each do what they can. If we all took that attitude in our lives, then nothing would ever change.
The Reformists(ooops I mean conservatives) are only using it as an excuse.
December 10, 2007 / 10:20
I also heard Baird say that he doesn't feel obligated to do anything about the environment because he saw a lady in a supermarket using plastic bags and putting them into a SUV.
Is it now the Canadian way to be justified by aligning itself with the lowest common denominator?
Would it not be more politically astute to come to Bali with a clear outline on what a developing country is, and how countries must progress so it comes in line with developed countries methods; if that is our issue?
If the economy is the only beef the Conservatives have with China and India; it is not proven that the economy will change due to environmental changes. However it is a fact that ignoring child labor laws and providing shoddy working conditions with low pay HAS taken our jobs.
It’s the same fight Fred, economically and humanitarianly….Imagine.
December 10, 2007 / 10:23
Well said LEW
December 10, 2007 / 10:42
Canada's largest polluter
INCO has met and exceeded all government targets ahead of time. But you take any (2) plants on the Niagara River on the U.S. side and they exceed Inco hand over fist in emmisions. Companys here are making changes, I see them at work, we are apart of them.
Mr. Dion really has no clue.
The US will do what they want, when they want. But why would we hang our economy in the nuse if no-one else will.
Its time for Canada to put a stangle hold on the U.S. economy. We are bigger and we do produce everything they need. Except war!.
Fred you have said it right, you can't play the game untill everyone knows the rules!
December 10, 2007 / 11:13
...but then don't we have the obvious right to then turn to our Federal gov't and say "OK, so kyoto is a no go.. what *ARE* we going to do"
...It's become quite obvious that we're not going to sign Kyoto...
Can we now have an answer to the actual question here Feds?
What ARE we going to do?
December 10, 2007 / 11:45
Hi Guys,
This arguement is getting kind of tiring because its the same thing around and around again... One group argues that every little bit helps and the other side argues that unless you make giant strides there is no point. I think both philosophies are good when we sit hear and argue the merits but that is like arguing Communist Philosphy. When you debate it it makes sense, but in practice it sucks.
When it comes to the environement, lets look at Denmark, they went whole hog 10 years ago and have made giant stides with energy conservation and pollution elimination. Have you noticed? Has the problem gone away? Has it even slowed down? Do I think the US will come on board? I just have to look at how quickly they've joined the world in adopting the metric system, but that being said that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and get them to come on board... Even if China and India come on board that will be huge. The States can continue its decline, and China and India will definitely assert that they're they next superpowers... mind you we here in Canada still have to breath the filth floating over the border.
To the point of recycling, I'm glad everyone feels good that they recycle, but I challenge you to find out what happens to the stuff you put in your blue box. I have yet to find anything anywhere that says it is all recycled and reused. The most disturbing part of the whole thing is the the raw material created from recylcing is more expensive than just digging it out of the ground or cutting down a swath of trees. Admittedly I recycle/reuse everything but it nags me.
December 10, 2007 / 12:47
LEW, you're not quite putting Baird's comments in the right context are you? He didn't say he didn't feel obligated to do anything about the environment because "he saw a lady in a supermarket using plastic bags and putting them into a SUV". He didn't say that, or imply it. He said a woman berated him in the parking lot for the Tory's perceived inaction re: environment. She had a shopping cart full of plastic bags and was driving an Escalade. His point was that people are complaining for the government to take action, but there is a personal responsibility here as well. Let's face it, if we were all as responsible as we pretend we are, this problem would have taken care of itself, without government intervention.
December 10, 2007 / 13:30
We need responsible citizens and responsible Government. The Feds need to set regulations on Industrial waste and citizen need to be smart. Buy the cloth bags! Recycle. Don't buy gas guzzlers.
December 10, 2007 / 20:50
Im embarassed that my country hasn't taken the lead but thats what you get when you get Cheney and Bush leading your country. An administration tied to big industry and big oil and trying their damnest to undermine the Environmental Protection Agency and anything that would affect their precious insdustrial Cronies. Its pathetic. As for Canada Fred, they should take the high road. No global warming won't be curbed without the big three but anything that can be done to get it started will help and I truly feel that having Canada signed on does put pressure on the US and if this president is too stupid to sign up for it, our next democratic president will.
I'm not going to spend a lot of time on what happened in Bali this weekend. I must be some kind of stupid.
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