November 27, 2007 / 10:12
Is it a bold move or a dumb move? John Howard has just been crushed in Australia, and even Bush is backing away from his stance, wanting to save some semblance of his presidency.
Fred, could you please explain how we are going to be economically burdened by this? So far I have only seen new businesses develop from people and businesses becoming more environmentally conscious. As for escalating costs of living, I have only heard of recent rises blamed on our present resources?
The whole I won't do it because China and India won't is stupid, petty and irrational.
You seem to be afraid of this positive change…hopefully you will have a home full of grandchildren soon so you can have a fresh perspective.
November 27, 2007 / 10:43
Bang on. Abosolutely bang on.
November 27, 2007 / 10:54
Lew here you go: the changes required by this agreement would require Canadian inustry and Canadian manufacturing to abide to more costly requirements than other countries in the world. The developing countries that wont need to upgrade their processes are already at a cost advantage to the Western countries for manufacturing and most other industries.
No doubt we all welcome progress on the environment, but thank goodness Harper had the leadership to not handcuff our reputation to an agreement we could not possibly adhere to.
November 27, 2007 / 10:54
Lew - We've been over this several times - the India & China is valid. Canada's participation in Kyoto is inconsequential to global warming. We are a country of 30 million. China & India combine to be 3 billion or more. Slight difference there!
Of course we all have to be good stewards of the planet as do large corporation who only care about profit.
Instead of this whole global warming distraction the western world should be boycotting China who not only pollute this planet but have an appalling human rights record.
November 27, 2007 / 11:06
"I'm not gonna do it unless the other guy does". Is that how we conduct our personal lives. To do nothing substantive unless everybody agrees is insane. Someone will always be out of the game.
BTW Argie, when you have a moment, read up on the tar sands project. That thing is going to be one of the biggest greenhouse gas emitters on the planet.
November 27, 2007 / 12:08
Ok then Dan Duran, lets ignore the tar sands and buy our oil from the Arabs, or get brand new bicycles with streemers and a horn.
November 27, 2007 / 13:07
Hey Dan,
Nice to see ya could take a break from admiring your "big unit" (so Freddie says) and post your opinion.
I'm joking, I'm joking.
November 27, 2007 / 13:15
Excellent Murph and Argie, with that logic Canada should rescind the minimum wage criteria and let companies pay what will keep them competitive in the world market, $1.00/hr okay or do we need to go less? All unions should disband as well, do they have any idea how crippling those benefits are to a burgeoning economy. Rock on boys, I'm seeing the light!!!!
November 27, 2007 / 14:03
Lew - You need to relax. Go to Starbucks and grab a non-fat, soy chai latte Dan Duran. Your sarcasm is funny but why the anger?
BTW, I like your idea about disbanding all unions.
November 27, 2007 / 14:09
LEW.. it's ok I'm on your side. I think with Argie he believes god is going to fix the environment, either that or faith based schools will fix everything. Lol and the they don't do it so I won't attitude is symbolic of a 5 year old. It's like fred's neighbour John saying I'm not going to recycle just because I don't see my other neighbours doing it. I mean talk about taking an ignorant stance on things. I figured Fred would be on the side of the PM anyways especially when taking into consideration similar posts on environment and the conservative government in earlier blog posts. Such are the constants in this world like day following night or Fred's views on Conservative government of any level.
You are exactly right about the tar sands too lol Alberta is going to look like ground zero for an atom bomb in 15 years from now. The ecological affects are already being seen in posoined streams suffering wild life. Argie and murph don't see it that way, which is fine.
Argie lol if the rest of the wrold was to consume as much natural resources and fossil fuels as we in Canada do we would run out of natural resources world wide in 10 years. Developing countries also don't have SUV's and 5 bed room homes and thousands of shopping plazas or gorge themselves on food just beacuse they can.( I know argie or Murph will point out not everyone has a 5 bedroom home yadda yadda yadda) So stick that in your pipe and smoke it. Canada produces more pollution that it should for it's itty bitty population of 30 million. Isn't that an easy scape goat though.
Funny how our oh so honourable stand up Prime Minister shot down any form of accord, but has no real environment plan. Fine fine fine if you don't want to lock a country into a commitment do it but at least have some sort of environment plan. But it just shows how petty Harper is well if my big friend the US isn't going to sign Kyoto or any environment accord then I won't either, but my UN chief I'll take a lolli pop so I don't cry.
Harper could take a !@$@ on the Canadian Charter of Rights and freedoms and certain people that frequent this website would congratulate him for making a statement and being a true Canadian blah blah blah. This isn't about global warming that's happening anyways, it's about pollution period something that can not be disputed, pollution is here and it's getting worse. So if you don't acknowledge climate change at least acknowledge that we are killing ourselves and the planet with the pollution we create. Or take the ignorant low road like the Prime Minister and say if they don't care why should I.
November 27, 2007 / 14:26
Frank The Turd: First of all please lay of the lol's. It's OK for an 8 year old girl to use that acronym on MS messenger but I'm guessing you're an adult male, so please stop.
Secondly just because someone disagrees with the Suzukispeak it doesn't mean they're wrong. You and Lew have an opinion on this as do I. Until we hear just ONE scientist say that global warming is definitely man made, I will keep an open mind. Words like “probably†or “likely†don't cut it.
November 27, 2007 / 14:39
Argie - the union mention was for you, glad you enjoyed it. The anger stems from living in a rain forest and having our virgin trees taken to make toilet paper.
Here is the link you requested in your last post.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,476074,00.html
November 27, 2007 / 14:42
Global warming aside Argie, I said pollution is a problem. Should I put it into capital letters for you so you udnerstand ok you twisted my arm. POLLUTION IS THE PROBLEM, I agree global warming is a natural occuring phenomenon, or are you going to say that pollution isn't a problem at all? Unless one scientist says pollution is a problem, oh that's right all scientist agree pollution is a problem and that natural resources are limited if we continue this way. This point they all agree on. Global warming is where the contention lies, and that's where people think well if they are lying about global warming why care. NO the problem is pollution end of story. See no LOL's there Arige but trust me you'll see some when you look at the comment regarding your posting on Obama and the Bush comparison.
November 27, 2007 / 14:56
OK Frank - I'll sum it up for you: Global warming = real. Over pollution = real. Climate change caused by humans = not so much.
BTW my golf game needs global warming. By next year I should be able to get another 4 rounds in. lol lol lol lol lol lol……….
November 27, 2007 / 16:12
Argie - Will you drive to the golf courses in your escalade by yourself, with the windows down and the air conditioning on while driving. Hope you have clubs made with wood from 1000 year old rainforest trees, with ivory from endangered african elephants inlaid into the hand grips. Argie always a wonderful time bantering back and forth I cherish these moments.
November 27, 2007 / 16:26
Frank: You're correct about my golf gear. However you forgot about my one-armed illegal immigrant from a third world country caddie.
November 27, 2007 / 17:46
Perfect pic Fred!
"He stuck in his thumb and pulled out......NOTHING!!"
Bang on Lew and Dan.
Go away Argie. Go away Global Warming. There........I solved it.
November 27, 2007 / 19:10
Unbelievable how Fred rationalizes this. Dan Duran is right on!
Harper is an idiot. He is not showing leadership. Leadership would be actually doing something about the problem and not waiting for the other guy.
November 27, 2007 / 21:27
Trent your right. Harper should have signed like Chretien did for Kyoto only to ignore it down the road.
Most agree that we can and should do more to aid the environment, but how? Should we cripple our economy only to watch China build hundreds of Coal-Fire plants a year?
Canada can take a leadership position on this issue without shutting down our industries as requested. Maybe a step toward Brazil's ethonol fuel model would be a start.
November 28, 2007 / 02:48
Here's the reality:
Most people outside of Canada don't even know who Stephen Harper is; nor could they give a rat's ass what he thinks about anything.
November 28, 2007 / 07:13
What's that got to do with anything Romy? All that matters is what Harper does for Canada and that he protects our interests.
November 28, 2007 / 08:55
Lew, Mike and the rest of these "Environmentalists"... all talk, I bet they all do this mindless enivronmental knee jerk reaction crap that is being rammed down our throats...
-changing to the flourescent lightbulbs that contain mercury, and replace the heat created by the regular bulbs (yes they do help heat your house in small part) by spending more on natural gas
-buy hybrids that puts more CO2 into the atmosphere during production than a Hummer ever would during its lifetime on the street... and that's not even talking about what you do with the hybrid batteries when the hybrid is dead.
-buy these new energy star appliances and toss out their 5-10 year old one which gets pitched into a hole all so you can save 15 cents a month. If you were thinking of the environment, you keep your appliances going for 100 years. That would have the lowest environmental inmpact... but hey, then they couldn't sell you a new appliance right? And you wouldn't get that warm Liberal fuzzy feeling that you're "saving the planet"
-probably support Mcguinty and his billions of dollars to replace the hydrometers in the province, and where do the old ones go? Into a hole as well.
Harper may not be the most popular prime minister, but he's practical and so far he's done right by me... As for Kyoto, what the f*ck is the point of everyone signing on except the 3 largest polluters that are almost half the world's population?
I'm against abusing our environment, but it has to be solid well thought out, long term solutions, not mindless, knee jerk solutions thought up by some marketting group. I don't want to sign onto some agreement where I'm going to give the top three countries more leaway to pollute.
November 28, 2007 / 09:15
Hey Paul... I wouldn't put that saving 15 cents a month on energy star appliances as a bad thing. Remember all the right wingers that flock here that were so happy Harper cut GST by 1% which equates to about the same. Funny the people that supports Harpers stance in this matter, yet in his year and a half in office his only solution to any environmental problem is mandatory flourescent light bulbs. Once again if you don't want to join accord fine, but that gets him off the hook for even more time to spin his wheels and not come up with an environmental action plan that is actually meant to solve any problems.
November 28, 2007 / 09:19
Hey Highlander, I actually didn't take a break from my admiration as I have a glass desk and can look down as I type.
November 28, 2007 / 11:10
Every other post Fred? What's really behind this?
November 28, 2007 / 11:36
Dear Mr. Tank,
If you notice I'm not supporting Harper for that... McGuinty did it and Harper followed suit, and he ticked me off because its something to appease people that don't know any better. It is trying to fixing one problem by creating another.
Something that nobody seems to know is the Hazardous Chemical Management plan that is being implement for companies that use and or product hazourdous chemicals.
http://www.chemicalsubstanceschimiques.gc.ca/challenge-defi/index_e.html
This here is more important to me than the flourescent light bulb. I don't want to eat, breath and drink hazourdous chemicals, but funny how changing a lightbulb takes presidence, and an initiative like this gets buried. Big complicated problems typically have big complicated solutions. Buying lightbulbs that are on sale at Home Depot will not make a lick of difference other than give the province a bit more time before they have to build a new power plant.
I think everyone that has stated anything here agrees abusing our environment will only come back and bite us in the ass. I'm just not one to think that this is something that will be fixed before Environmentalism stops being sexy and the media attention is turned back to Paris Hilton.
What a shame that for the first time in a long time Canada has been blessed with a strong leader but we don't appreciate it.
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