September 24, 2007 / 10:01
Fred: You can debate funding for only one religion all you want. I take issue with what you said about the Catholic board being a farce. Academically, the separate school board has scored much higher marks than the public school system on a statistical basis. Additionally, many non-Catholics have chosen to send their kids to Catholic schools because of the fact they tend to be stricter and more discipline oriented than the public schools.
People can attack Catholicism all they want but the fact remains the separate school board is superior to that of the public board. Why dismantle the better of the two systems? Maybe we should just dismantle the public school board since it's so damaged already?
September 24, 2007 / 10:08
Argie, everything you say about the Catholic system is a myth.
It can change from region to region, board to board. I know people who've taken their kids out of the Catholic system for all the same reasons you sight.
Nobody is attacking Catholicisim, what they're attacking is the existence of a seperate school board in 2007. It is a farce.
September 24, 2007 / 10:32
Pete there is no point arguing with Argie. He's stuck in the mud about this issue, the catholic school board is the be all to end all in his opinion so it's no use trying to tell him otherwise because he's made his decision on it.
As for Fred well Fred would turn around and defend Tory for anything. Tory could drop a racial slur and Fred would still end up defending Tory saying he used the racial slur to get people talking or to tackle the problem facing inner city kids.
It also seems Fred has forgotten the fact that Tory was promoting the creationism theory as well. Funny how he never mentions how disturbing the thought of teaching that fairy tale is anymore.
I fully support Fred in the belief that there shouldn't be a catholic school board at all. I do believe however that Fred is so desperate to see McGuinty out of the office that he will change his mind to agree with whatever crack pot thing Tory will come up with. I don't care much for McGuinty myself and I've said that before, but lets not forget that as governments go the conservatives told us a little white lie about us having a balanced budget before the last election and instead were carrying a 5.6 billion dollar deficit.
So one has to wonder how the common sense revolution really worked and if it wasn't really balancing the books what happened to the money that was supposed to. Of course there will be those of you who cry that I'm a liberal, but really I'm not I just don't think the pot should be calling the kettle black here. Either way Fred despite my differing view on this issue with you I still enjoy coming here to read and comment.
September 24, 2007 / 10:34
Pete: The majority of problems in our high schools continue to happen in the public school board - even in terms of per capita. Gang violence, sexual assault, teen pregnancy and STDs are much more prevalent in the public board. The stats are there.
I don't know what the motivation to abolish the Catholic board is. I do know if they were to abolish the board and force these kids to go to an inferior school, we taxpayers would not be saving anything.
I suggest you continue to send your kids to public schools. I wish you lots of luck with that.
September 24, 2007 / 10:40
Hey argie where are these facts you speak of. I just want to read them for myself. As far as I'm concerned you are talking out your @#$. I find it kind of funny because all the guys I went to highschool and university with all laugh because the good little catholic school girls had always seen more shaft than an elevator.
September 24, 2007 / 10:42
Hey Ben.. you're wrong, Freddie did talk about creationism. This posting sort of blows your argument to hell.
http://www.freddiep.ca/2007/09/dalton_mcguinty_must_be_the.html
September 24, 2007 / 10:46
Sorry Pete. What I meant to say is that he never mentions it anymore. You are correct that that would blow my point out of the water. But Fred was so adament about that being a huge issue before and now seems to have forgotten it in lieu of just throwing all support to Tory
September 24, 2007 / 11:00
B.C. has had funding for religous based schools for 30 years, and its no big deal. If they want funding they have to follow the provincial guidlines, which is one of Tory's objectives. I just wonder where he is going to get the money from.
September 24, 2007 / 11:03
I understand Ben, but as someone wrote a couple of weeks ago, you're allowed to change your mind on issues, that's what campaigns are all about.
I sort of agree with Freddie, the more you look at this issue the more it looks like Tory might be on to something.
September 24, 2007 / 11:04
Ben: In my university years, it was the Jewish girls that put out the most. God they were fun. BTW, they all went to public schools.
September 24, 2007 / 11:57
I may be wrong here, but it seems to me that no one is advocating the abolishment of the Catholic School Board, rather, they are asking for the revocation of the public funding for the Catholic School Board.
Argie: I highly doubt you will find a "stat" that lists the number of STD infections by School board, let's get real. Even if you did, how accurate do you really think that would be? About as accurate as Ontarian's reporting speeding tickets to their insurance companies?
Lastly, according to the Fraser Institute, 4 of the top 5 elementary schools in Canada are Public, 3 of the top 5 High Schools are Catholic. If by perusing the list of School names, it can be presumed which are Catholic and which are Public, it would seem they are at total opposites. The Public elementary schools seem to be better but then the Catholic high schools seem to take an overwhelming lead on the Public ones. Again, according to the Frasier Institute.
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/reportcards/index.asp?snav=rc
You can check it out yourself at the link above. Argie, wanna send a link to your stats?
--Pete
September 24, 2007 / 11:58
I work for the catholic Board in TO. Argie is correct in some ways about a higher standard of education being available in Catholic schools. The reason is quite simple before 1985 Catholic schools were only partially funded. I am not sure of the total but I think it was 50% or less. Because of this the schools aggressively raised funds in the Catholic community many of the schools in TO still have “War†chests. No doubt schools outside of TO also have war chests. That allows them to fund things that public schools without these “extra†funds cannot afford. BTW public schools could also aggressively fund raise but I think there is reluctance to support as the communities are not as tight. There is also the Uniform thing that helps to minimize some of the distractions that happen (especially at the HS level ) in schools without uniforms. By all means not all Catholic schools are better than there public counterparts but many are of a very high standard.
As things stand now all catholic HS are open to anyone who wants to attend. Elementary are open only to Catholics.
I work at the Catholic Board and I DO NOT support funding for ANY religious schools. But if any are funded ALL should be funded.
September 24, 2007 / 12:59
Argie: Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. To further that argument perhaps with the openess of catholic highschools to people of any faith, kids that choose to go there instead of public highschools bring the average up for Catholic highschools.
September 24, 2007 / 13:51
You should go with FRANK THE WANK. It seems more fitting.
The fact that 3 out of the top 5 high schools are Catholic is really bad, for the public schools. Considering that there are many more public high schools and Catholic ones.
I personally agree with Tory. Extend funding to all faith based schools provided they use the approved curriculum.
September 24, 2007 / 13:57
Funny how you don't bother to comment on the public elementary schools beating out catholic elemenatary schools. But isn't that the way of religous people grasp on to half a truth and use it as full truth.
September 24, 2007 / 14:10
Oh Frank, I'm not that religious. I'm just smarter than you.
I could be wrong, but I think it's more important to have better grades in high school than it is in grade school. How about you?
September 24, 2007 / 14:17
haha of course Argie you are smarter than me, each time you talk on here you prove that. There is a correlation Arige between elementary school and highschool, you can't just magically have better performing students in highschool and have them all be idiots in grade school. Perhaps if your intelligence ran past that of a 1st grader you might see that.
September 24, 2007 / 14:35
Argie? You are sounding like the raving lunatic I was accused of being a while back.........rotflmfao.
September 24, 2007 / 14:46
Frank: I don't know why you're not grasping this but I'll explain it a little clearer for you. The ratio of public to Catholic schools is about at least 4:1. Therefore, the public schools should place 4 out of the top 5 in all categories. In the elementary category that was the case so technically they're even. In the high school rankings, it's a different story.
My point was that it would be wrong to dismantle an entire school board that year after year outranks the main board. The Catholic board is the better of the two.
September 24, 2007 / 15:56
Argie: Let's get back to the facts:
http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/general/elemsec/quickfacts/2004-05/quickFacts04-05.pdf
As of 2005, there are:
Public Elementary
Schools: 2593
Students: 959373
Public Secondary
Schools: 616
Students: 490355
Catholic Elementary
Schools: 1387
Students: 466371
Catholic Secondary
Schools: 256
Students: 207805
Not quite the 4:1 ratio that you were quoting, even less when you look at students instead of schools.
Again, no one is saying to dismantle ANY board. Read the posts and news articles and you will see that no one, except you, is saying that the Catholic School Board should be dismantled. It's the funding that some people think should be halted.
To really discuss this topic with any logic, you also have to look at the individual regions. i.e. Embrun ranked very high, top 5 in Ontario and they have 4 schools, 3 elementary and 1 high school, only 1 of which is Public and none are English.
--Pete
September 24, 2007 / 15:58
OKAY GUYS, lets get to the real arguement that has popped up. So far we have one for Catholic chicks and one for Jewish chicks. I personally like Dutch Reform....
September 24, 2007 / 16:10
Of course there are the Amish gals.
September 24, 2007 / 16:17
Pete, I applaud you for doing the research. The unfortunate part is that Argie will still not shut up even with the facts blasted in his face. He will find some other way to argue his point and it will just take some research again to show him how little he truly knows.
Lol at least a 4:1 ratio, and you almost sounded smart for a second Argie, almost....
September 24, 2007 / 16:25
Ben, you really seem like a little sniveling fag. You bring absolutely nothing to the discussions you comment on. Your fixation with me is both puzzling and disturbing. I suggest you get help.
September 24, 2007 / 16:30
Haha Argie. As it stands everything you've stated today has been shot down and revealed to be untrue, so I would stop talking about people not bringing anything to the discussion
September 24, 2007 / 16:36
Ben: You're just a sad little man. Actually most of points were verified to be true.
September 25, 2007 / 09:16
If nothing else, the degenerative and intolerant nature of the above "discussion" is ample evidence that religion in any public classroom, or forum, is a mistake. Teach the 3 R's in our schools, not 4.
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Meanwhile, John Tory's full funding for all faith-based schools proposal still seems to be dogging him. 
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